{"id":974,"date":"2026-08-15T07:23:54","date_gmt":"2026-08-15T07:23:54","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/vesemt.org\/?p=974"},"modified":"2026-08-27T03:21:21","modified_gmt":"2026-08-27T03:21:21","slug":"tmvl-vs-dechets-episode-3-la-camera-voit-tout-sauf-peut-etre-lessentiel","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/vesemt.org\/?p=974","title":{"rendered":"TMVL Vs D\u00c9CHETS (\u00e9pisode 3) \u00ab La cam\u00e9ra voit tout\u2026 sauf peut-\u00eatre l\u2019essentiel \u00bb"},"content":{"rendered":"<blockquote>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><em><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><strong>A propos du post de Tours M\u00e9tropole Val de Loire : \u00ab\u00a0Exp\u00e9rimentation de cam\u00e9ra intelligente dans les camions de collecte\u00a0\u00bb\u00a0 <\/strong><\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/share\/v\/1NAokoBLsT\/?utm_source=chatgpt.com\">Acc\u00e9der \u00e0 la publication Facebook de TMVL<\/a><\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">TMVL nous annonce fi\u00e8rement que l\u2019intelligence artificielle va d\u00e9sormais regarder dans nos bacs jaunes pour identifier les erreurs de tri. Et surtout, rassurez-vous : <strong>c\u2019est totalement anonyme.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">Nous voil\u00e0 rassur\u00e9s :\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">On ne saura donc pas <strong>qui<\/strong> a mal tri\u00e9. Mais on saura parfaitement <strong>quoi<\/strong> il a mal tri\u00e9.\u00a0<\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><strong><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">La R\u00e9publique est sauv\u00e9e !<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">Soyons clairs : <strong>VESEMT n\u2019est pas hostile \u00e0 la technologie.<\/strong> Si cette exp\u00e9rimentation permet de mieux conna\u00eetre les flux de d\u00e9chets et d\u2019am\u00e9liorer r\u00e9ellement le service public, pourquoi pas ?<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">Mais une question demeure : <strong>regarder dans les poubelles, est-ce vraiment regarder au bon endroit ?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">Car pendant que la cam\u00e9ra observe les emballages, une r\u00e9alit\u00e9 beaucoup moins spectaculaire existe toujours : <strong>la collecte.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">Elle n\u00e9cessite des agents, des \u00e9quipages, des moyens, du mat\u00e9riel, de l\u2019organisation et surtout\u2026 des humains.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">Une cam\u00e9ra peut identifier une erreur de tri.<\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><strong>Elle ne ramasse pas un bac.<\/strong><\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><strong>Elle ne nettoie pas un trottoir.<\/strong><\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><strong>Elle ne r\u00e9pond pas \u00e0 un habitant.<\/strong><\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><strong>Elle ne remplace pas un agent.<\/strong><\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">Et surtout, <strong style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">elle ne parle pas aux gens.<\/strong><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">C\u2019est pr\u00e9cis\u00e9ment ce que nous interrogeons dans nos deux pr\u00e9c\u00e9dents articles : pendant que l\u2019on explique aux habitants qu\u2019ils doivent mieux trier, qu\u2019en est-il de l\u2019am\u00e9lioration concr\u00e8te du service public de collecte ?<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">Parce qu\u2019il y a quelque chose d\u2019assez cocasse \u00e0 vouloir toujours mieux analyser <strong>ce qui arrive dans la poubelle<\/strong>, sans suffisamment s\u2019interroger sur <strong>ce qui arrive avant la poubelle<\/strong>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">Un emballage n\u2019appara\u00eet pas spontan\u00e9ment dans un bac jaune.\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">Il a \u00e9t\u00e9 produit, emball\u00e9, vendu, consomm\u00e9\u2026 puis jet\u00e9.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">Alors pourquoi faudrait-il principalement apprendre au citoyen \u00e0 mieux trier ce que notre syst\u00e8me \u00e9conomique continue de produire ?<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>On produit. On emballe. On vend. On jette. On filme. On analyse. Et finalement, on sensibilise le citoyen. <\/strong><\/span><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">C\u2019est magnifique : <\/span><strong style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">le syst\u00e8me produit le d\u00e9chet et le citoyen re\u00e7oit le tutoriel.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">Nous pr\u00e9f\u00e9rerions que l\u2019intelligence artificielle serve aussi \u00e0 identifier les d\u00e9chets que l\u2019on pourrait <strong>ne plus produire<\/strong>.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">Car le v\u00e9ritable indicateur de r\u00e9ussite ne devrait pas \u00eatre :\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>\u00ab Nous avons d\u00e9tect\u00e9 10 000 erreurs de tri. \u00bb<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">Mais :\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>\u00ab Nous avons \u00e9vit\u00e9 10 000 d\u00e9chets. \u00bb<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">Quant aux inqui\u00e9tudes exprim\u00e9es dans les premiers commentaires sur une future surveillance ou une facturation individualis\u00e9e, inutile de les traiter de parano\u00efaques. TMVL doit simplement dire clairement <strong>ce qu\u2019elle fera de ces donn\u00e9es, ce qu\u2019elle s\u2019interdit d\u2019en faire et quelles garanties elle apporte.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">La technologie peut \u00eatre intelligente. M<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">ais <strong>un service public intelligent ne se contente pas de mieux voir. Il agit mieux.<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">Alors, TMVL, chiche ?<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><strong>Gardez vos cam\u00e9ras si elles sont utiles. Mais n\u2019oubliez pas les humains derri\u00e8re les camions.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">Parce qu\u2019un service public efficace, ce n\u2019est pas celui qui voit tout.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><strong>C\u2019est celui qui agit l\u00e0 o\u00f9 il faut.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">Et parfois, contrairement \u00e0 une cam\u00e9ra autonome\u2026\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>\u00e7a n\u00e9cessite encore des humains.<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div contenteditable=\"false\">\n<hr \/>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><strong>Abd-El-Kader AIT-MOHAMED<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><em>Locataire HLM de la Tour de la Galboisi\u00e8re et \u00ab Fier de l\u2019\u00eatre \u00bb<\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><em>Membre du Comit\u00e9 populaire et n\u00e9anmoins bienveillant de Vivre (surtout) Ensemble et (si possible) Solidaires en M\u00e9tropole Tourangelle (VESEMT).<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">Ressources<\/span><\/h2>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><strong>Publication Facebook de Tours M\u00e9tropole Val de Loire \u2014 Exp\u00e9rimentation de cam\u00e9ra intelligente dans les camions de collecte <\/strong><\/span><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/share\/v\/1NAokoBLsT\/?utm_source=chatgpt.com\">Acc\u00e9der \u00e0 la publication Facebook de TMVL<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><strong>VESEMT \u2014 \u00ab TMVL Vs D\u00c9CHETS (suite) : Le dernier m\u00e8tre est celui o\u00f9 le service public devrait continuer \u00e0 \u00eatre au rendez-vous ! \u00bb<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/vesemt.org\/?p=956&amp;utm_source=chatgpt.com\">Acc\u00e9der \u00e0 l&rsquo;article sur VESEMT<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"isSelectedEnd\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><strong>VESEMT \u2014 \u00ab D\u00e9chets et TMVL : Si tout est toujours la faute des habitant.es, \u00e0 quoi sert encore un service public ? \u00bb<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/vesemt.org\/?p=894&amp;utm_source=chatgpt.com\">Acc\u00e9der \u00e0 l&rsquo;article sur VESEMT<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">Tags<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;\">#TMVL #ToursM\u00e9tropole #D\u00e9chets #IntelligenceArtificielle #ServicePublic #Collecte #Tri #Pr\u00e9vention #R\u00e9ductionDesD\u00e9chets #D\u00e9chets\u00c0LaSource #Recyclage #\u00c9cologie #SaintPierreDesCorps #VESEMT #DernierM\u00e8tre #Technologie #Humain<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A propos du post de Tours M\u00e9tropole Val de Loire : \u00ab\u00a0Exp\u00e9rimentation de cam\u00e9ra intelligente dans les camions de collecte\u00a0\u00bb\u00a0<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":975,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"colormag_page_container_layout":"default_layout","colormag_page_sidebar_layout":"default_layout","footnotes":""},"categories":[46,39,38,51],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-974","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-democratie","category-metropole","category-saint-pierre-des-corps","category-voirie"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/vesemt.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/974","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/vesemt.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/vesemt.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/vesemt.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/vesemt.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=974"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/vesemt.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/974\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1077,"href":"https:\/\/vesemt.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/974\/revisions\/1077"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/vesemt.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/975"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/vesemt.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=974"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/vesemt.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=974"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/vesemt.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=974"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}